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Hey Rena. I decided to actually try some cleaning n' stuff, instead of just typesetting. So I guess if my cleans are good enough I'll be an editor? Anyways, I haven't finished the two page clean, but I did do the ToI Chapter 6 p. 30-31 double page thing. ('Cause it wasn't done when it was sent to me, and that was bugging me.) I'm still working on the double page though.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pwbywz

I've looked at it. It's pretty okay, but the whites were not completely white (there's still black noise on them) and I can see some of them with my naked eye, not just those types that are impossible to see normally. It was especially bad for the TotA's page.

You can see all the black noise if you apply a 253 black 255 white levels adjustment layer on top of your clean.

Also, it seems you're not very skilled with redrawing, but that's fine. There's always a way around it.

Hm. My monitor brightness is turned down low, so I didn't see those. But then I turned it up, so now I see it. *sweatdrop* Need to stop turning my monitor down low.

Hehe. If you use Photoshop though, you can do this "Layer->New Adjustment Layer->Levels" and set it to 253 black 255 white. Then you can see all the black noise. Select the layer where you're doing your clean on, then constantly hide and unhide the adjustment layer to see the black noise as you erase it off on your clean. Careful not to erase the art as the art will be black as well, that's why you need to hide and unhide the adjustment layer. Be careful not to erase on the wrong layer.

You should be able to do it on Paint Shop Pro or GIMP also, not sure since I've never used those.

Is there any empty position required other than cleaners?

Not at this point in time. With the current state of the group, all I need are cleaners for the time being, although I'm open to editors that can do both cleaning and typesetting. But in order to be an editor, I need to be absolute certain that I can entrust cleaning to the editor with no problems and will be able to do things correctly, which means that I don't need to QC their cleans before the chapter is handed over for typesetting. I will only accept experienced editors. Again, no need to be skilled at redrawing. Just let me know and I'll forward the page you're having trouble with and double pages to another cleaner.

I'd be interested in cleaning and typesetting for you guys since Wings of an Angel doesn't have anything for me to do until there are more translators (though if Miken-chan picks up another doujin translator, I'd like to finish the project I said I'd do for them at minimum)

I did do the cleaning and typesetting for two doujin for WoaA so I do have some experience and since I hear your raws are really good, probably won't have any problems because my main problem point was really bad gutter shadows.

ladynadiad wrote:I'd be interested in cleaning and typesetting for you guys since Wings of an Angel doesn't have anything for me to do until there are more translators (though if Miken-chan picks up another doujin translator, I'd like to finish the project I said I'd do for them at minimum)

I did do the cleaning and typesetting for two doujin for WoaA so I do have some experience and since I hear your raws are really good, probably won't have any problems because my main problem point was really bad gutter shadows.

That'd be good. You can prioritize your work to WoaA, it's fine with me. After all, I'm not the one that tells you want to do with your time. You decide that yourself.

Oh yes, my raws are really good *shot*. You can ask Nagi about it XD I dunno how skilled you are at redrawing, but Nagi is always available to help with the really hard ones (especially for double pages).

Well, I know that you're the one that did La Preuve, but I noticed something interesting, for some of the pages, the blacks weren't completely black? Do you level before starting the cleaning process?

Would it be okay if you tried the cleaning test? The details are in this thread - eternal-is-recruiting-more-cleaners-t58.html

The main cleaning test is the one I want to see (you can also see how my raws are like from there XD). You can ignore the magazine page part, although trying out one of the double pages would be good. The test is just for me to see where your skills stand cleaning wise. You can also try the typesetting test here - recruiting-more-typesetters-t66.html I'd be nice for me to see how your typesetting is like too. These are all essential for me to know so I know how to shuffle work around and decide who to work on what.

Or, if you want, you can mainly just work with doujins, it's fine with me too. They're easier to do compared to manga usually. I've got quite a good number of TotA and ToS ones waiting to be...scanlated, but I need to scan them first >__> Too many things to scan...>__<

renachan wrote:

ladynadiad wrote:I'd be interested in cleaning and typesetting for you guys since Wings of an Angel doesn't have anything for me to do until there are more translators (though if Miken-chan picks up another doujin translator, I'd like to finish the project I said I'd do for them at minimum)

I did do the cleaning and typesetting for two doujin for WoaA so I do have some experience and since I hear your raws are really good, probably won't have any problems because my main problem point was really bad gutter shadows.

That'd be good. You can prioritize your work to WoaA, it's fine with me. After all, I'm not the one that tells you want to do with your time. You decide that yourself.

I have no problems doing stuff for both groups, it just is kinda hard to clean and typeset stuff that lacks translations. Yeah, I can clean it, but then it sits on my hard drive forever waiting for translation.

Oh yes, my raws are really good *shot*. You can ask Nagi about it XD I dunno how skilled you are at redrawing, but Nagi is always available to help with the really hard ones (especially for double pages).

Well, I know that you're the one that did La Preuve, but I noticed something interesting, for some of the pages, the blacks weren't completely black? Do you level before starting the cleaning process?

I was still somewhat new at it when doing that one and some of the first pages I did weren't done well, and I did that one massively out of order. Mostly it was a lack of knowledge at the time that I needed to make the blacks black and not just remove the grays. I tried to fix as many as I could catch, but guess I missed a few, or I was being lazy and not wanting to nearly redo pages. But overall, that probably wasn't a good doujin for someone somewhat new to grab, though I learned a ton by doing it because it was so hard.

Would it be okay if you tried the cleaning test? The details are in this thread - eternal-is-recruiting-more-cleaners-t58.html

The main cleaning test is the one I want to see (you can also see how my raws are like from there XD). You can ignore the magazine page part, although trying out one of the double pages would be good. The test is just for me to see where your skills stand cleaning wise. You can also try the typesetting test here - recruiting-more-typesetters-t66.html I'd be nice for me to see how your typesetting is like too. These are all essential for me to know so I know how to shuffle work around and decide who to work on what.

That's fine, I'll try to have that to you by the end of the day for me, and I love your raws, I can tell that already from the quick peek I grabbed (okay, so I have the Abyss and Eternia ones done already). I'll try to do a double page, because other than fixing gutter shadows, not a huge amount of experience in redraws, though I have done them. As long as I can make an educated guess of how the lines should look I tend to do decently with them. I can manipulate, I can't draw on my own

Or, if you want, you can mainly just work with doujins, it's fine with me too. They're easier to do compared to manga usually. I've got quite a good number of TotA and ToS ones waiting to be...scanlated, but I need to scan them first >__> Too many things to scan...>__<

I don't really care either way what I work with, but I will admit, I'm not much of a ToS fan, so ToA would be more enjoyable for me to do and what I enjoy I tend to do better with.

Also should probably mention that I'm trying to avoid Vesperia spoilers for now and I also have a major love for ToE along with ToA (but then, my happiness over ToE 28 in the shoutbox may have given that away). Otherwise, I'm not picky, I actually am not a shonen-ai fan and still did Key of the Kingdom, and I saw you won't take a project that would fall into what squicks me anyhow.

I'll keep all that in mind. I await for the cleaning and typesetting tests. Also, you don't have to worry too much about redraws, especially the harder ones that you don't have the skills to do. Like I said, Nagi is always available to work on the harder ones and also double pages. What I really need is basic redrawing skills and the knowledge to do the cleans with the end product like what you see for releases and it'd be fine.

Also, you don't have to worry about being given anything related to Vesperia to work on. The projects related to Vesperia are all covered. I already have a team that works on them so no problems there =P Plus the main Vesperia manga is the group's monthly project, and the same people works on it.

I'm interested in applying for a position as a cleaner, but I was reading through all the posts and trying to get a better sense of the workload. Can someone give me the basic breakdown of what would be expected?

Trajectoli wrote:I'm interested in applying for a position as a cleaner, but I was reading through all the posts and trying to get a better sense of the workload. Can someone give me the basic breakdown of what would be expected?

I'm not really looking for speed here, but about 30 pages in about one months time when a chapter to be cleaned has been assigned, if the cleaner is available. But it will also depend on whether there are raws available to be cleaned. But the main thing I'm looking for is dedication and to keep me updated, like when you're very busy with school/work/real life stuff and won't be able to do anything until the more important stuff has been taken care of, won't be in town, won't be around, lack of computer, etc.

renachan wrote:I'm not really looking for speed here, but about 30 pages in about one months time when a chapter to be cleaned has been assigned, if the cleaner is available. But it will also depend on whether there are raws available to be cleaned. But the main thing I'm looking for is dedication and to keep me updated, like when you're very busy with school/work/real life stuff and won't be able to do anything until the more important stuff has been taken care of, won't be in town, won't be around, lack of computer, etc.

That's quite reasonable! And the contact thing wouldn't be a problem for me, as I'm pretty much glued to my computer. I've never worked for a scanlation group before, I've only cleaned manga because I like colouring the panels afterward. Actually I just finished the base for one of the ones from the Gaiden Abyss release of yours, a cute full page of Anise. (Raw/Cleaned, if you were interested.)

I think I'll try the cleaning test, and get it back to you probably after the New Year. Thanks very much for your help!

-- Li

That's some decent redrawing skill there.

But yeah, I'll require the cleaning test to be done, as that's a page that's been released, so it only shows how you do with redrawing, but not the actual cleaning process. A raw page actually looks like this - http://sample.eternalmanga.net/Test/Cle ... st_s03.png The blacks are not blacks and the whites are not whites.

Just e-mail it to me at the group's e-mail when you're done. All details are in the Cleaner recruitment topic =D

If you don't know the standard procedure, there is a topic where I've posted links to Cleaning/Typesetting/Editing tutorials so you can take a look at them if you're not sure.

Also, do you like mind showing me a colored page that you've already done? XD Just curious.

o///o Thank you. That was a very easy page to work with, being largely symmetrical and all. And yeah, I knew that was a cleaned one, I downloaded the .zip of the test pages to get an idea of what you're looking for. They're a lot harder! I think the first two in the package should be easy enough, but the one with Yulia there that you linked is going to be a real pain. And of course the double pages and magazine scans will be quite a challenge.

No, of course I don't mind! I usually only do individual panels though, not whole pages. I have an LJ and graphics comm, but here are the links to my three most recent pieces:

Ciel Phantomhive (Kuroshitsuji) - Raw / Colour
Train Heartnet (Black Cat) - Raw / Colour
Horo (Wolf & Spice) - Raw / Colour

That is some nice coloring there.

You have a LJ and a graphics community? Do you mind letting me know which ones? I'd like to check it out.

I've been thinking of getting someone to do a colored version for the group's Tales of Vesperia release during their free time (no time limit), but I'm not sure if anyone would be interested in doing it for the practice and for fun and whether people would like to see a colored version. There are some groups (but very few, very, very few) that do colored versions of their releases...but eh...I dunno DX That would be quite a lot to color...and it's just a thought...

Ehehe, those are some of the better ones, not all of them come out quite nicely. (Although some of them I use bad scans for because I can't find HQ ones, and I'm doing it for the practice as opposed to the overall result.) It would probably be a lot neater if I had a tablet, but I only do mousework with these so it doesn't hold a candle to a lot of colourist's work. I follow manga_colors community and I'm always blown away by the quality there. You could always look there and see if people would be interested in being contracted for splashpages or such, I'm sure a lot of them would offer!

A whole release in colour? WOW, that would be big. But it would be so pretty to look at, too.

Also, I started that Yulia page last night. T_T So many halftone dots are driving me batty. But it's coming out not too bad. The white/blacks came up almost right away. It would look great if I had the text to put back to cover up the tiny mismatches in the dots! I might get my friend to translate this page so I can send back two versions, one with and without text. After doing the cleaning, adding typesetting is a breeze!

I made a post on your latest entry in your LJ, so I can stop spamming this post. ^__^;; Hope that was okay.
-- Li

Hi

i want to apply for cleaning and typesetting positions

heres some things i've edited

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0le8he
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mlzcg5
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zyl0wu
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5b1y9b

sorry for it beeing in parts but the file was rather large even when it was compressed
you dont have to look at everything if you dont want to

raws are all included except for a couple of the FMA pages, i couldn't track them down
must have been deleted, but if you really need to see them I'm happy to find them

Cya!

Hmm, those are good, but they're familiar to me at the same time >__> Did you by any chance apply to Wings of an Angel before?

Would you mind doing my cleaning and typesetting tests though? I prefer the test to be done instead cause those are the type of raws and stuff you'll be working with and it's a better gauge for me to determine if you can handle what the group mostly scanlates. Raws are all scanned by me so you'll be working with more or less the same kind of raws.

For cleaning, just the main cleaning test with one of the double pages will do. For typesetting, whatever's inside.

Cleaning test - eternal-is-recruiting-more-cleaners-t58.html
Typesetting test - recruiting-more-typesetters-t66.html

yeah i did apply for wings of an angel, but changed my mind

sorry i didnt know that you had an editing test

ill do it now and have it for you in a bit